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				<title>Comparing 2001 and 2011 data - Use scenarios: Yes please</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-166595/comparing-2001-and-2011-data-use-scenarios#post-526930</link>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Richard Price</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I think in general at sometime or other all of these will be needed.</p> <p>The only extra I can think of is similar comparisons and metadata for geographic changes. As OA's are not constant, i.e. some will be split or merged (&lt; 5%) information to identify these will be required. Indeed being able to select these, may even be required as they will potentially be the areas of greatest change.</p> 
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				<title>Wiki: Re: Output Area boundary files</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-87725/wiki#post-510202</link>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>ONS_Brendan</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>130045</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Thanks for the enquiry. If you are referring to digital boundary files for Output Areas and other closely related areas, as detailed in the 2011 Census Product catalogue <a href="http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/product_boun_oa_mid_mif.asp">http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/product_boun_oa_mid_mif.asp</a> then these are available from ONS Geography free of charge using the form and contact details given at <a href="http://www.ons.gov.uk/about-statistics/geography/products/boundaries/index.htm">http://www.ons.gov.uk/about-statistics/geography/products/boundaries/index.htm</a>.</p> <p>There are prerequisites for the supply of boundaries for other geographies as detailed on the ONS Geography website.</p> 
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				<title>Wiki: Output Area boundary files</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-87725/wiki#post-507110</link>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>BLine</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>290194</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I am told by a friend that he was looking at the ONS site recently and apparently they don't do any digital boundary data any more, and you are redirected to Geoplan - <a href="http://www.geoplan.com/Mapping_Solutions/GIS_Mapping_Data/Output_Areas">http://www.geoplan.com/Mapping_Solutions/GIS_Mapping_Data/Output_Areas</a> - whose price for the output area boundaries is £600.</p> <p>Is this true, will COA boundaries be charged for?</p> 
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				<title>A guide to data from the 2011 Census: Additions to content</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-138911/a-guide-to-data-from-the-2011-census#post-449691</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Nick Holmes</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255564</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Initial thoughts;</p> <p>I would sugest the addition of SARS as a topic and to split the geography section into statistical and administrative. Not sure what you intend to include under "special data products"</p> <p>The section on SDC is welcome, but the implications of it may need to be included in the "understanding" section as well.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results VIII: Statistical Disclosure Control (SDC): Re: Disclosure control</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-134156/online-output-questionnaire-results-viii:statistical-disclosure-control-sdc#post-416571</link>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>BLine</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>290194</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p><em>taking all the different published breakdowns and averaging the totals</em> sounds like a lot of work to get a more unbiased result. But the proposed licencing and access arrangments should improve things considerably. I'm hoping to further develop a bit of MapBasic software to batch generate self containment convex hulls, derived from 'Range Manager' <a href="http://solutionsgroup.tripod.com/rangeman.htm">http://solutionsgroup.tripod.com/rangeman.htm</a> but adapted , maybe renamed as 'Migrations Mapper' or something.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results VIII: Statistical Disclosure Control (SDC): Re: Disclosure control</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Richard Price</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I would also add that whilst the OA to OA has issues when used with very small counts that it does have uses. It is especially valuable if then being aggregated to higher levels of geography where this disturbance is then minimised.</p> <p>In 2011 this is worth remembering when whatever arrangements are put into place, otherwise a useful dataset may lose it's value if access is unduely restricted.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results VIII: Statistical Disclosure Control (SDC): Re: Disclosure control</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-134156/online-output-questionnaire-results-viii:statistical-disclosure-control-sdc#post-403858</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>ONS_Brendan</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>130045</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>The small cell adjustment (SCA) method was used to protect the confidentiality of individual respondents in 2001 Census data and does have significant effects on the utility of some tables.</p> <p>The origin destination tables, especially at low geographies, will be greatly affected.</p> <p>The method itself should be unbiased, so that a total of 50 people travelling from OA1 to OA2 would have an expected value of 50, but there is significant variation between the published total (which is a sum of protected counts) either above or below the unperturbed total.</p> <p>The variation can be seen for OA to OA counts broken down by different variables. For example, using a breakdown by age and sex could give a total of 25, a breakdown by economic activity could give a total of 33. By taking all the different published breakdowns and averaging the totals, one gets a still unbiased estimate and with far less variability from the unprotected count.</p> <p>For the 2011 Census, we have already proposed that origin destination tables at low geographies are protected not by SDC methods, but by licensing and access arrangements. The precise details of this approach have not yet been finalised.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results VIII: Statistical Disclosure Control (SDC): Disclosure control</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Originally posted by <a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/bline">BLine</a> 3 Mar 2009.</p> <p>We try to use the detailed OA to OA origin :destination tables to estimate 'self containment ' patterns for migrations and travel to work patterns, to help in identifying funcitonal housing market areas. At this scale pretty well every cell is '3', which potentialy causes a lot of distortion. Common sense would suggest that longer distance moves/commutes are likely to be smaller numbers.</p> <p>But if changing the disclosure rules looks like an unwinnable battle, what would help is some work to show how much distortion it actually does cause. I've experimented by changing all '3' cells to 1 or 2, to see the effect, and it is noticeable. But a check against the real numbers at different distances could perhaps give an average variation that could be applied.</p> 
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				<title>Blog: Disclosure control</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><strong>Admin note:</strong> Comment content moved to the disclosure control comments section <a href="http://2011ukcensus.wikidot.com/blogposts:survey-results-8/comments/show#post-403852">here</a>.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results IV: 2011 / 2001 data comparisons: Re: 3-d charts</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-126140/online-output-questionnaire-results-iv:2011-2001-data-comparisons#post-389788</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Thanks for your comments Hywel. Your point is well made and appreciated, and in future we plan to avoid any use of the 3-D stuff and keep a better balance of statistical graphical presentation vs colourful web pictures.</p> <p>The past graphs should also be replaced gradually with traditional flat versions</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results IV: 2011 / 2001 data comparisons: 3-d charts</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-126140/online-output-questionnaire-results-iv:2011-2001-data-comparisons#post-388537</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>HMJ</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>282642</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Sorry to make a rather negative comment with my first posting but 3-d charts are far from best statistical practice (and are one of my pet hates). Using them here does not set a good example.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results IV: 2011 / 2001 data comparisons: Re: Categorical Request</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Thanks Richard</p> <p>That extra 'don't know' option is there now - if it does not appear then just refresh the page and it should be OK.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results IV: 2011 / 2001 data comparisons: Categorical Request</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-126140/online-output-questionnaire-results-iv:2011-2001-data-comparisons#post-375383</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Richard Price</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>On the last question could we have an option of don't know? I can answer the other questions but at the moment I simply don't know on the last.</p> 
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				<title>Online output questionnaire results III: Adding value: Output questionnaire  results - and questions</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-124383/online-output-questionnaire-results-iii:adding-value#post-369787</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Nick Holmes</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255564</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>The interesting things we could learn from the results would require knowledge of the number of returns and the counts by persona for the bars illustrated. I think the 20% "none of the above" could be important, if it falls entirely within one persona.<br /> We need to know much more about the sample of respondents to judge how representative the results might prove within the user communities / personas.<br /> When considering the outputs, to be able to call down custom ready disclosure controlled tabulations would cut the need to call for so many special tabulations and the associated delays whilst disclosure issues were sorted out - or not in many cases.<br /> There needs to be thought on how to use the provision in the Statistics and Registration Services Act with regards approved researchers (section 39 (4) i). This status allied with an approval of the setting in which the data would be processed, could provide the reassurance to enable less disclosure controlled (sensitive) data sets to be available to researchers not in ONS control centres?</p> 
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				<title>Developing web delivery systems: Who wants what</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Richard Price</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>IT seems to me that the question is to look at what is wanted, before deciding what to offer.</p> <p>My guess is that for most people in a home \ school based role that a NeSS like website will provide what is required. For greater access of data a NOMIS approach for users who want more data and less analysis \ mapping. Over this will be those who want the census output in bulk and little extra.</p> <p>Whether you agree with my conclusion about groupings and requirements, there does require a clarity when researching the requirements, of who the answer is aimed at, in order that the question can be properly asked of and targeted at the appropriate responder</p> 
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				<title>2011 / 2001 data comparisons: Re: Current wards, and OA boundaries</title>
				<link>http://www.ukcensusoutputs.net/forum/t-120704/2011-2001-data-comparisons#post-360650</link>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Dvd Walker</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255828</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm not challenging the principle of a stable geography, which has my full support. What I'm asking for (and not alone in this) are boundaries that do not zig-zag across areas where there are no residential buildings that would require it.</p> 
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				<title>2011 / 2001 data comparisons: Re: Current wards, and OA boundaries</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Richard Price</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255467</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Unfortunatley this battle has already been lost with the decision being made that a stable geography was the most important consideration.</p> 
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				<title>2011 / 2001 data comparisons: Current wards, and OA boundaries</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Dvd Walker</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>255828</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>The reality of local politics and grant allocations requires that data sets are available for local authority wards current at the time of the data analysis. MSOAs are of no benefit for this purpose, LSOAs only so long as they continue to nest into wards.</p> <p>There is also a desperate need to tweak Output Area boundaries so that they are recognisable on the ground: that they run along the centre of roads and streams, face of fences and walls, between boundary stones, etc. This is for the most part technically achievable: the anomalous parts of OAs generally contain no residential properties; anomalous OA boundaries rarely pass through them. Snapping to physical features in this way would be worth the effort (if not the spurious expense of commercial charges by Ordnance Survey and the Royal Mail) and would greatly increase the acceptability of census data to general users.</p> 
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				<title>So, how are you finding the site so far?: Re: Feedback so far</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Just a follow up - the comment settings have now been changed, so the comments dialogue box should be open by default when pages load.</p> 
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				<title>User personas -  a brief introduction: One dimensional or three dimensional Personas?</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Tom Whitemore</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>257512</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>What this strategy could help do is humanise the process of understanding and distributing the data it collects which I think is very important in making the Census relevant to a broader range of people.<br /> For the personaas to be successful in terms of helping with research and getting 'us' to interact I would advise approaching them not as a amalgamation of people but as a three dimensional characters who you may know or see in a television drama - it doesn't have to be included but what are their lives outside of the Census? Otherwise they could be cardboard cutouts that do little more than the present system</p> 
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